Color damage

[hogjowl]

I ran into a carpet today that had a moving box size purple area under where the bed had been. It’s a rental and is empty. Upon close inspection, I found varying tones of purple all over the house in a broadcast pattern. It’s a brown carpet originally. My theory, for all it’s worth, is someone either cleaned the carpet with something that damaged the dye, or a flea treatment was performed, right before someone moved in. I say that because the box size square, deep purple stain under the bed suggests someone put a square object onto the wet carpet under the bed while the carpet was still wet. However, there’s no purple stains from furniture placement, suggesting I might be wrong there.
What do you inbreds (and Jim) think could have caused this. I realized everyone else (except maybe Pemberton) is guessing but I’m curious.

 

[Jim Pemberton]

I ran into a carpet today that had a moving box size purple area under where the bed had been. It’s a rental and is empty. Upon close inspection, I found varying tones of purple all over the house in a broadcast pattern. It’s a brown carpet originally. My theory, for all it’s worth, is someone either cleaned the carpet with something that damaged the dye, or a flea treatment was performed, right before someone moved in. I say that because the box size square, deep purple stain under the bed suggests someone put a square object onto the wet carpet under the bed while the carpet was still wet. However, there’s no purple stains from furniture placement, suggesting I might be wrong there.
What do you inbreds (and Jim) think could have caused this. I realized everyone else (except maybe Pemberton) is guessing but I’m curious.

Got any pics?

I've not seen pesticide cause that sort of color change, but I suppose it is possible

Does the purple glow under UV light?

Is the carpet light or dark brown?

If you are going back, I'd pH test the purple to see if it could be an indicator dye situation. The only time I've seen dark purple on brown was when the carpet reacted to a highly alkaline degreaser that was used as a prespray. That took some acidic treatments, but after a few miscues (too much acid turning the purple to pink, then back to green, then orange, then finally back to brown) we fixed it.

This one is pretty interesting.

 

[hogjowl]

 

[hogjowl]

My wife says I’m color blind but I swear the carpets looked brown on site

 

[Jim Pemberton]

Gray is more likely to have an indicator dye change tan brown. I’m thinking that could be the case, but hard to tell without testing

 

[hogjowl]

I think my wife may be right. In fact, I bet she’d tell me to go sit down somewhere.

 

[jessi]

Patch it

 

[hogjowl]

Patch it

I’m not really interested in doing anything harder than a dye transfer… which didn’t work. I’m more interested to see what you morons think caused this. I admit I don’t know.

 

[Living The Dream]

Marti @hogjowl with the post!

 

[BIG WOOD]

it looks like someone used a rug dr to do some spot cleaning and they used a very strong home made chemical and did just that one spot in the picture.

 

[hogjowl]

That could be. The property management company put one of their maid service women on the list of carpet cleaners. Whatever it is she’s using, she’s carrying it around in her car.

 

[jessi]

maid services are now offering carpet cleaning using bissells for pennies but leave the carpets exactly the same

 

[Nomad74]

That could be. The property management company put one of their maid service women on the list of carpet cleaners. Whatever it is she’s using, she’s carrying it around in her car.

I rode my motorcycle around while wearing shorts today. I realized something that I really like about the BMW boxer engine. The bike doesn't cook my legs like my Harleys did in slow traffic. It was a nice way to relieve some stress.

 

[icleancarpetz]

My wife says I’m color blind but I swear the carpets looked brown on site

Pass this eye test, you get to keep it!

What color are the numbers?

 

[Nomad74]

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If you would of used a CRB this wouldn’t have happened.

 

[Mikey P]

I rode my motorcycle around while wearing shorts today. I realized something that I really like about the BMW boxer engine. The bike doesn't cook my legs like my Harleys did in slow traffic. It was a nice way to relieve some stress.

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I ordered the rear head heat deflector in preparation for this summer, but so far I don't feel any heat at stoplights.

 

[Jim Pemberton]

Let me know if you can stop by and do a UV and a pH test there.

This one is interesting

 

[Rick J]

I ran into a carpet today that had a moving box size purple area under where the bed had been. It’s a rental and is empty. Upon close inspection, I found varying tones of purple all over the house in a broadcast pattern. It’s a brown carpet originally. My theory, for all it’s worth, is someone either cleaned the carpet with something that damaged the dye, or a flea treatment was performed, right before someone moved in. I say that because the box size square, deep purple stain under the bed suggests someone put a square object onto the wet carpet under the bed while the carpet was still wet. However, there’s no purple stains from furniture placement, suggesting I might be wrong there.
What do you inbreds (and Jim) think could have caused this. I realized everyone else (except maybe Pemberton) is guessing but I’m curious.

I have run into color damage on fibers that are not supposed to be susceptible to it. polys, olefins
sometimes really severe. nothing I have tried ( knowing it before trying) has resulted in improvement. Just to experiment got CTI color correction kit, basically crayons , NOPE . Long time ago also tried some RIT , nope as well.
I had pics of some from quite a while ago. Extremely severe, all over a tan poly; sounds like what you are describing. Went back an looked for them but I must have decided it wasn't a thing any more and deleted them.
just goes to show you anything can be f----- up. !

The square under the bed, ? NO idea. An apartment, perhaps tenant moved in while carpet was still damp, got all situated , with something under the bed which bled. ?

only replying because coincidently on the same day you posted, saw some like discoloration on a PET.

 

[Jim Pemberton]

I have run into color damage on fibers that are not supposed to be susceptible to it. polys, olefins
sometimes really severe. nothing I have tried ( knowing it before trying) has resulted in improvement. Just to experiment got CTI color correction kit, basically crayons , NOPE . Long time ago also tried some RIT , nope as well.
I had pics of some from quite a while ago. Extremely severe, all over a tan poly; sounds like what you are describing. Went back an looked for them but I must have decided it wasn't a thing any more and deleted them.
just goes to show you anything can be f----- up. !

The square under the bed, ? NO idea. An apartment, perhaps tenant moved in while carpet was still damp, got all situated , with something under the bed which bled. ?

only replying because coincidently on the same day you posted, saw some like discoloration on a PET.

There are people who say that polys and olefins can't be discolored

Glad to have you share the truth of the matter here Rick.

I have seen some of those shades of blue/purple on polys now that I think of it, just not that dark.

Marty: Do the ol' burn test and let us know that too.

Nylon=Indicator Dye Change. Poly= GKW

 

[Nomad74]

I ordered the rear head heat deflector in preparation for this summer, but so far I don't feel any heat at stopli

That should help. My Electra Glide and Fatbob cooked my ass.

Just let me know how your legs feel on a summer day while stuck in traffic on the Benicia Bridge. Ask me how I know. lol

I know, safety first.... But it hit me yesterday while I was riding around in shorts. Also, those big ass boxer jugs sticking out on the sides protected me from bugs slamming into my legs. Who would have thought?

I haven't tested it out in the Wendy's Drive-Thru yet.

 

[hogjowl]

STFU Damon
Jim … I’m just not interested enough to invest the amount of time necessary to find out. Sorry, but I’m old and tired.

 

[Nomad74]

STFU Damon
Jim … I’m just not interested enough to invest the amount of time necessary to find out. Sorry, but I’m old and tired.

Not very nice.

Mods, Bann him!

 

[Jim Pemberton]

STFU Damon
Jim … I’m just not interested enough to invest the amount of time necessary to find out. Sorry, but I’m old and tired.

I understand that.

When I discuss things like this with my 55+ customers, I often say:

"Are you at the stage of your business where you need to impress people with your skills, or where you need less customers, less hassles, and more time relaxing?"

That often has a bearing on their interest in solving crazy problems like this

 

[Cleanworks]

I’m not really interested in doing anything harder than a dye transfer… which didn’t work. I’m more interested to see what you morons think caused this. I admit I don’t know.

With that pattern, it looks like something was there, wet. Transfer from something. Nothing to do with cleaning. I have been seeing a lot of pinkish hues lately on 10-15 year old carpet. Under furniture where no one has walked. The outline of the furniture is pinkish, the rest of the carpet is off white to light tan. Obvious before you clean.

 

[hogjowl]

With that pattern, it looks like something was there, wet. Transfer from something. Nothing to do with cleaning.

I realize things are dIfFerEnt in Canada, but it the US wet carpet often has something to do with cleaning.

 

[Mikey P]

That should help. My Electra Glide and Fatbob cooked my ass.

Just let me know how your legs feel on a summer day while stuck in traffic on the Benicia Bridge. Ask me how I know. lol

I know, safety first.... But it hit me yesterday while I was riding around in shorts. Also, those big ass boxer jugs sticking out on the sides protected me from bugs slamming into my legs. Who would have thought?

I haven't tested it out in the Wendy's Drive-Thru yet.

While the Milwaukee-Eight (M8) engine has several design improvements, the perception of whether it runs cooler than previous Harley-Davidson motors, particularly the Twin Cam, is nuanced. Here's a breakdown:
Improvements in the Milwaukee-Eight for Heat Management:
* Precision Cooling: M8 engines utilize a more targeted cooling strategy. Depending on the model, this involves either oil or liquid coolant being circulated around the hottest areas of the cylinder heads to dissipate heat more effectively.
* Redesigned Exhaust: The rear exhaust pipe has been repositioned, and the catalytic converter has been relocated to move heat away from the passenger, improving rider comfort.
* Lower Idle Speed: The idle speed has been reduced from 1,000 RPM to 850 RPM, which can contribute to less heat generated when the bike is stationary.
* Engine Idle Temperature Management System (EITMS): This system, available on many Harley-Davidson models since 2008 (including Twin Cams from 2008-2016 and all M8 models from 2017 onwards), can automatically shut off the rear cylinder at idle in high-temperature conditions to help cool the engine.
Perception of Running Hot:
* Despite these improvements, some riders still perceive the M8 engine as running hot. This could be due to several factors:
* Higher Factory Temperature Readings: The temperature sensor on the M8 engine is located in a different position than on the Twin Cam, which can result in higher temperature readings displayed, even if the overall metal temperature isn't drastically different.
* Leaner Fueling for Emissions: Like the later Twin Cam engines, the M8 is designed to run leaner to meet stricter emissions regulations. Leaner air-fuel mixtures burn hotter.
* Engine Design: Air-cooled V-twin engines, by nature, generate a significant amount of heat, especially in stop-and-go traffic or hot weather.
* Subjective Rider Comfort: Even if the engine's operating temperature is within the normal range, the heat radiated towards the rider can still be perceived as uncomfortable.
Operating Temperatures:
* According to some sources, the typical everyday warm weather riding engine temperature (as measured by the factory sensor) for a Milwaukee-Eight is around 260°F (with a maximum of 270°F before sluggishness and accelerated wear may occur). For a Twin Cam, this was around 230°F (with a maximum of 240°F). This difference in sensor location contributes to the higher readings on the M8.
* Normal oil temperatures for both Twin Cam and M8 engines are suggested to be around 230°F, with a maximum of 240°F.
Cooling Solutions:
* Many aftermarket solutions exist to help cool down both Twin Cam and Milwaukee-Eight engines, including:
* Oil Coolers (with or without fans): These help dissipate heat from the engine oil.
* Fan-assisted Oil Coolers: These provide active cooling, especially at lower speeds or when idling.
* Removal of Catalytic Converters: This can significantly reduce felt heat, although it may not drastically decrease engine temperature.
* Improved Airflow: Modifications like removing thigh protectors or fork wings (in warmer temperatures) can improve air circulation around the engine.
* Synthetic Oils: While synthetic oils may not necessarily make the engine run cooler, they can maintain their lubricating properties at higher temperatures compared to conventional oils.
In conclusion: The Milwaukee-Eight engine incorporates design improvements aimed at better heat management compared to previous engines. However, due to factors like sensor location and lean fuel mixtures, riders might still perceive them as running hot. The actual operating temperatures, when measured consistently, might not be drastically different, but the M8 often shows higher readings on the temperature gauge. Various aftermarket cooling solutions are available for riders seeking to further reduce engine heat.

 

[Mikey P]

But wait!

I switched to Amsoil .


Yes, many users report that switching to Amsoil synthetic V-Twin motorcycle oil causes their V-Twin engines to run cooler.
Here's why this might be the case, based on Amsoil's claims and user reviews:
* Heat Resistance: Amsoil's synthetic base oils are naturally more resistant to high temperatures than conventional oils. This helps prevent the oil from breaking down and losing viscosity in the extreme heat generated by V-Twin engines, especially air-cooled ones.
* Reduced Friction: High-quality synthetic oils like Amsoil can reduce friction within the engine. Less friction translates to less heat generation.
* Effective Heat Dissipation: While oil's primary job isn't cooling, a stable, high-quality oil can contribute to better heat transfer away from critical engine components.
Evidence from Reviews:
Numerous customer reviews for various Amsoil V-Twin oils mention a noticeable reduction in engine temperature after switching. For example:
* One reviewer stated their engine "seems to run cooler as promised" after using Amsoil 15W-60 in their Harley-Davidson Street Glide.
* Another user reported their motor runs "at least 10 degrees cooler than any other" oil after using Amsoil in their Road King.
* A Victory Cross Country owner mentioned their engine "keeps the engine cooler" with Amsoil.
* A Harley Ultra owner noticed their "engine temp is slightly lower" after switching to Amsoil.
Amsoil also highlights in their marketing materials that their synthetic V-Twin oil is specifically formulated to handle the high temperatures of air-cooled engines and has shown excellent protection in extreme heat dyno testing.
While individual results can vary depending on the motorcycle, riding conditions, and prior oil used, there is substantial anecdotal evidence and technical reasoning to suggest that Amsoil synthetic V-Twin oil can contribute to lower operating temperatures in V-Twin engines.

 

[Nomad74]

While the Milwaukee-Eight (M8) engine has several design improvements, the perception of whether it runs cooler than previous Harley-Davidson motors, particularly the Twin Cam, is nuanced. Here's a breakdown:
Improvements in the Milwaukee-Eight for Heat Management:
* Precision Cooling: M8 engines utilize a more targeted cooling strategy. Depending on the model, this involves either oil or liquid coolant being circulated around the hottest areas of the cylinder heads to dissipate heat more effectively.
* Redesigned Exhaust: The rear exhaust pipe has been repositioned, and the catalytic converter has been relocated to move heat away from the passenger, improving rider comfort.
* Lower Idle Speed: The idle speed has been reduced from 1,000 RPM to 850 RPM, which can contribute to less heat generated when the bike is stationary.
* Engine Idle Temperature Management System (EITMS): This system, available on many Harley-Davidson models since 2008 (including Twin Cams from 2008-2016 and all M8 models from 2017 onwards), can automatically shut off the rear cylinder at idle in high-temperature conditions to help cool the engine.
Perception of Running Hot:
* Despite these improvements, some riders still perceive the M8 engine as running hot. This could be due to several factors:
* Higher Factory Temperature Readings: The temperature sensor on the M8 engine is located in a different position than on the Twin Cam, which can result in higher temperature readings displayed, even if the overall metal temperature isn't drastically different.
* Leaner Fueling for Emissions: Like the later Twin Cam engines, the M8 is designed to run leaner to meet stricter emissions regulations. Leaner air-fuel mixtures burn hotter.
* Engine Design: Air-cooled V-twin engines, by nature, generate a significant amount of heat, especially in stop-and-go traffic or hot weather.
* Subjective Rider Comfort: Even if the engine's operating temperature is within the normal range, the heat radiated towards the rider can still be perceived as uncomfortable.
Operating Temperatures:
* According to some sources, the typical everyday warm weather riding engine temperature (as measured by the factory sensor) for a Milwaukee-Eight is around 260°F (with a maximum of 270°F before sluggishness and accelerated wear may occur). For a Twin Cam, this was around 230°F (with a maximum of 240°F). This difference in sensor location contributes to the higher readings on the M8.
* Normal oil temperatures for both Twin Cam and M8 engines are suggested to be around 230°F, with a maximum of 240°F.
Cooling Solutions:
* Many aftermarket solutions exist to help cool down both Twin Cam and Milwaukee-Eight engines, including:
* Oil Coolers (with or without fans): These help dissipate heat from the engine oil.
* Fan-assisted Oil Coolers: These provide active cooling, especially at lower speeds or when idling.
* Removal of Catalytic Converters: This can significantly reduce felt heat, although it may not drastically decrease engine temperature.
* Improved Airflow: Modifications like removing thigh protectors or fork wings (in warmer temperatures) can improve air circulation around the engine.
* Synthetic Oils: While synthetic oils may not necessarily make the engine run cooler, they can maintain their lubricating properties at higher temperatures compared to conventional oils.
In conclusion: The Milwaukee-Eight engine incorporates design improvements aimed at better heat management compared to previous engines. However, due to factors like sensor location and lean fuel mixtures, riders might still perceive them as running hot. The actual operating temperatures, when measured consistently, might not be drastically different, but the M8 often shows higher readings on the temperature gauge. Various aftermarket cooling solutions are available for riders seeking to further reduce engine heat.

My FXDR was a Mil-8 and it still cooked me. But what a fun bike!

 

[Mikey P]

My FXDR was a Mil-8 and it still cooked me. But what a fun bike!

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